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January 31st, 2005, 07:27 PM
#11
Inactive Member
This dude went to berklee right?
neways I wouldn't even call that clave work.
You'd never see a dude rockin' out quarternotes on a clave in an afro-cuban group.
His playing is tight though, but he isn't el negro.
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January 31st, 2005, 07:28 PM
#12
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Yeah.. He is incredible. I saw him play cascara AND a 2+3 clave in left food. ....While he was playing some wired stuff with hear hands. techniquemonster !
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ January 31, 2005 03:30 PM: Message edited by: Mathias Sarsgaard ]</font>
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January 31st, 2005, 07:28 PM
#13
Inactive Member
ha!
1,2,3 1,2,3 1,2,3 1,2,3
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January 31st, 2005, 07:37 PM
#14
Inactive Member
Have some of you guys fallen out of your olive trees onto your maracas? [img]tongue.gif[/img]
But I still think AS's a great player. Saw him live w PM & he killed. Sorry, don't know anything about his recordings w PM, tho.
Haven't heard him solo over LF clave yet either, tho. but he's a stunner regardless.
Funny comment about Paul = cymbals [practically true!] [img]tongue.gif[/img] But I liked him w PM also. [Altho AS, like Paul, seems often to be extremely light on the kick...or maybe it was the union FOH guy...] ;cP
Gottlieb was great w P too [he's great regardless]. Oh wth, the're all good & brought their own thing to Pat's table...
[I didn't realize I was participating in a segment of Comedy Central / Colin Quinn's - ] Tough Crowd here... [img]tongue.gif[/img]
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ January 31, 2005 03:48 PM: Message edited by: fuseU1 ]</font>
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January 31st, 2005, 07:42 PM
#15
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the intelectual level of these posts never ceases to amaze me. Gotta love it.
First of all, of course you hear afro cuban drummers playing quarter notes on left foot cowbell. Duh, that's a called a cha cha. And they do it very often. It ain't no clave though.
There's no way to play the full clave and full cascera with just your left foot simultaneously, so you're smoking something.
Antonio sounds nothing like Billy Cobham. Play a few rolls around the drums and your Billy Cobham. Come on! Then whadda ya call Simon Phillips? Billy Cobham?
And yes I will agree with Rob and SDK, but that's just my opinion. But, I would never knock a player like that. His touch and independence is pretty amazing. Nice cymbal sounds as well.
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February 1st, 2005, 12:12 AM
#16
Inactive Member
Watch "Speaking Of Now" Live DVD. Antonio is a MotherFxxxer. He does some left foot clave, and solos over it, and then he does left foot/right foot/right hand cascara, and then superimposes a slower left hand clave over it all. He definitely has as much chops as El Negro, PLUS, his jazz feel is excellent. I love the loose, relaxed way he sits, holds his sticks, and plays Pat's music, like a real jazz drummer with chops. His jazz is really jazz, not a latin hybrid like El Negro's. (I love El Negro, but his other non-Latin feels are still flavored by the latin stuff.) Antonio's jazz/freeform styles are very authentic. You can tell he really studied.
As far as Paul and Danny, each are great players in their own right, and each are a reflection of where Pat and Lyle were at musically during those periods. For example, American Garage (With Danny, and Mark Egan on bass) was a much more rock-jazz oriented album than an album like Still Life Talking. I think Paul really played what Pat and Lyle were hearing from a percussive standpoint during those years.
However, I love hearing Antonio on the DVD, and the MEGA-BONUS is hearing/seeing Richard Bona whip out his 6-string R bass, and proceed to kick major ass on a solo. It's a great DVD, although Pat really needs to get a hair cut.
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February 1st, 2005, 12:21 AM
#17
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February 1st, 2005, 12:24 AM
#18
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Bill Stewart is however still my favorite with Metheny.
I dig AS's playing, but at a concert a few years ago i left halfway through the set. It was simply plain Borring, Richard Bona was the only real positive guy at that concert. Antonio was great there, but radiated something that didn't make you catch him deep enough to emotionally undertand his statements.
He is a dynamic and relaxed jazz'er, but the balls is missing at spots where you'd love to hear a Vinnie or Gadd kill those phrases with the outrageous authority displayed in their playing.... I Think Antonio is missing that alot.
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February 3rd, 2005, 12:32 AM
#19
Groovissimo
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It's tough to judge a drummer by looking at one short video-clip. You have to see Antonio play "live" to appreciate his talent and understand where his ideas came from.
On the Modern Drummer weekend 2003 DVD, there is a good segment of his playing and build-ups when it comes to experimenting with the clave. Antonio talks to the audience and explains his art in a very clear way. When a guy leaves his home in Mexico, tours with pianist Danilo Perez, goes to Berklee and comes out as a star drummer, Wow !!! If you get a chance, go out and get this DVD. A bonus on the same DVD is Nathaniel Townsley, Airto, Steve Smith, Shawn Pelton, The Drumbassadors and Matt Smith. Some great music !
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February 3rd, 2005, 12:46 AM
#20
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I know he is great! Maybe it's the Venue to blame, it was a seater venue with a capacity of nearly 2000seats. Maybe too large for that kind of music if you ask me.
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